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04-08-2008 Chat Log

	DELL-ToddM	Hello all
	DELL-ScottH	Hello all !!
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	DELL-ToddM	Hello jingle2
	jingle2	Howdy
	DELL-ToddM	Hey Kent
	DELL-ScottH	hey everybody
	DELL-KentS	Good Afternoon
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	DELL-ScottH	hello robby
	DELL-ScottH	hello damien
	Robby_Pearson	Hey
	damien	Howdy
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	DELL-ScottH	waiting a few minutes to start, but in the meantime if you want to intro yourself and bring up any topics for discussion, that would help
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	Robby_Pearson	Well, I am Robby Pearson and work for a construction firm. We are a Novell shop and are looking into some different client management ideas.
	Robby_Pearson	I have recently setup a Vm and am trying the Dell Client Manager
	DELL-ScottH	Did you find our Dcm page here ?
	Robby_Pearson	Yea
	Robby_Pearson	It helped a lot since I have been waiting to hear back from an Altiris rep
	Robby_Pearson	I watched the little video
	Robby_Pearson	And followed along with some of the steps
	DELL-ScottH	not really my speciality, but I can put you in touch with the right people if they don't join today
	Robby_Pearson	If this isn't the right fit for us I also need ideas for some other possible products we might heads toward, ideally something that would touch imaging as well
	Robby_Pearson	Its tough since we are Novell and don't have a domain controller, seems like Ad is our next step possibly
	DELL-ScottH	That should be a fun project, the guys on the Windows Server page here can help out quite a bit with Ad rollout
	DELL-ScottH	damien, anything on your mind ?
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	DELL-ScottH	hello tagamet
	tagamet	Hi there
	damien	I'm working with about 20 Windows servers. I'm fairly new at systems administration (within my first 6 months), and I'm looking for a way to quickly be able to view that status of all the servers under my control.
	damien	Not sure if I'm in the right place for something like that ;)
	DELL-ScottH	I think we can help with that ... have you navigated the site much ? ...
	damien	No, this is really the first time I've been on the site.
	DELL-ScottH	don't click on these links yet, it will kick you out of the chat ..... You can right click to open in new broswer
	DELL-ScottH	start with this page -- http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/openmanage+systems+management
	DELL-ScottH	it will help explain all the acronyms I am about to spit out
	damien	Thanks
	DELL-ScottH	On each server you will want to install Omsa ..
	DELL-ScottH	this will allow you to point a browser to the server and do hardware administration and setup some alerts
	DELL-ScottH	for a central alert portal , you will need to install Ita on a server that can be the collection point for alerts from the servers ... this can be a regular server, or some people run it in a Vm
	DELL-ScottH	There are some demos on this site that will help you setup the infrastructure and get a base understanding ....
	DELL-ScottH	http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/openmanage+demos
	tagamet	Hi guys, I'm not sure how/when it's ok to ask a question here. Is there a line? Or do we just fire away... thanks
	DELL-ScottH	There's also some Enterprise Support Tutorials that the dell community puts out that are quite good - http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/en/enterprise_videos_list?c=us&l=en&s=gen
	DELL-ScottH	just fire away
	DELL-ScottH	we're good at multitasking
	tagamet	Great, thanks Scott
	DELL-ScottH	@damien .. that get you pointed in the right direction ?
	tagamet	I'm using Ita 8.0.0 to manage approx 500 Dell Pe 1850, 1950, 2850s
	tagamet	=) multitasking, nice
	damien	Absolutely. Thanks for the links. That sounds like exactly what I'm looking for.
	tagamet	Anyways, on our 1850 and 1950s, they each arrived with 2 power supplies each.
	tagamet	In our Dc, they only ran power cables to 1 of the 2 Psus
	DELL-ScottH	and anytime you have questions, just post them as threads here and the community at large is very helpful
	tagamet	On our 1850 and 1950s, we leave the unwired Psu slightly pulled out
	DELL-ScottH	so you have lots of nice yellow lights :-)
	tagamet	Now, when I go into Ita, the 1950s all show up with green checkmarks
	tagamet	But my 1850s all show red Xs due to the 2nd Psu not being redundant
	tagamet	I am desparately seeking a way to ignore the red X when it's only due to lack of psu redundancy (we don't do any on these subsection of Dells)
	tagamet	How can I do this?
	DELL-ScottH	clarification, you want the alert log to stop filling up ? ... Todd is pulling a power supply on one of our 1850's right now ... we might have to take this as homework
	tagamet	A little but of correction... I actually meant to say - how can I have my 1850s show up with green icons instead of red xs, when the only reason it has a red x is due to lack of psu redundancy
	tagamet	ok np, thanks for asking
	DELL-ScottH	ok, Todd pulled a power supply, I'm bringing up my Ita
	tagamet	So far, I was able to reconfigure my email alerts to ignore these, and I stopped getting tons of emails due to the psu issues (nice).
	tagamet	ok thanks
	tagamet	Yeah, for some reason the 1950s don't complain about the issue (ie they still show green icons unless something serious is wrong). But the 1850s almost all show up with red x icons due to the psu redundancy issue
	DELL-ScottH	yeah, depends on what the software engineer coded at the time .... I've got it reproduced here .... can't guarentee if it's something that can be fixed , I'll look into it more tonight and tomorrow .. send me an email reminder (scott_hanson@dell.com)
	tagamet	Btw, the view that I'm referring to in Ita is the View \| Devices \| Servers container
	DELL-ScottH	Todd had a good idea , how about Y-cords ?
	tagamet	ok thanks Scott, Will do
	DELL-ScottH	yes, looking at that view right now
	tagamet	If I replace them with Y cords, won't they then start consuming twice the power at the rack Pdu level?
	tagamet	ok thanks for confirming the view
	DELL-ScottH	no
	DELL-ScottH	might be a little more, but not twice
	tagamet	(our Dc power ops guys did not run dual cords/etc due to power considerations)
	tagamet	ic
	DELL-ScottH	components will consume the power they need
	DELL-KentS	Load is spread across both Power Supplies
	tagamet	Ok, I'll put that idea into my hip pocket and discuss with mgmt/dcops
	DELL-ScottH	we have a power meter, we can tell you exactly what it will be
	tagamet	Ah, did not know that. Thanks!
	DELL-ScottH	Todd is hooking up our powermeter right now, we have Y cables, give us a sec
	tagamet	Np, your approximation is more than adequate. I can always snake an unused 1850 for an hour of testing from my users
	tagamet	oh wow, you guys rock
	tagamet	Feels like I'm a participant in Mythbusters or something ::cool
	DELL-ScottH	Todd is already behind the racks, he can't hear me yelling at him, so I'll let him have his fun and we'll see what he says
	DELL-KentS	Can I blow something up?
	tagamet	haha
	DELL-ScottH	we need some dummies
	DELL-ScottH	ohh wait .... (insert your own punchline)
	DELL-ScottH	any other questions from the field ? .. damien, you have enough to get in trouble ?
	tagamet	Rofl, present!
	DELL-ScottH	Fyi, another resource to get in touch with people that are discussing power and cooling issues is here -- http://www.direct2dell.com/insideit
	DELL-ScottH	Marc Farley runs that blog and is on here often
	tagamet	Thanks for the link. Checking it out now
	DELL-ScottH	Todd hasn't yelled yet, I think he is close to an answer
	tagamet	Up until yesterday, I only knew about the main dell.com website docs, and dellcommunity.com. I am totally newbie to delltechcenter <-- looks great!
	DELL-ScottH	thanks ! we are trying to draw experts like yourself that know servers/storage/virtualization etc ... tell all your friends.
	DELL-ScottH	where else can you get a Dell employee electrocuted for trying to help you !
	tagamet	I am sharing this info now with colleagues of mine in other areas now (1 is down the hall and walking over to see what I'm laughing about)
	tagamet	Haha electrocuted
	DELL-ScottH	what company are you with ?
	tagamet	Orcl
	DELL-ScottH	Todd is alive !
	DELL-ToddM	Ok - so the very unoffical results:
	tagamet	drumrolll
	DELL-ToddM	One power supply - apr 240 Watts
	DELL-ToddM	Two power supplies - Ps1 - 145, Ps2 - 137 -
	DELL-ScottH	my math says 17% more
	DELL-ToddM	for a total of 282
	DELL-ToddM	This is at idle
	tagamet	Very interesting -- thanks guys for the really fast turnaround on data
	tagamet	ahh, good to know
	DELL-ToddM	usual words here about your mileage will vary
	DELL-ScottH	ok, I'll dive some more into the Ita red icon, will take a little longer
	tagamet	np, tks
	DELL-ScottH	on another front , I was using Suu 5.4 today to see what I could do on the Esx servers
	DELL-ToddM	But in general two power supplies do not take 2x the power, but do take more than 1
	DELL-ScottH	some blog postings are saying that Suu 5.4 works with Esx 3.5, yes and no ... look on one of the latest threads for my reply to one of the members here
	tagamet	Ok, thanks Scott, Todd -- I'll shoot you guys an email for followup. Would be ideal if I could fix this "programatically"
	DELL-ScottH	you actually need Sbuu in conjunction with Suu, but you can use the Suu Cli to develop a workaround
	DELL-ScottH	I'll have a blog posting on those findings soon ... here's the link to my blog if you're not already following -- http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/systems+edge
	DELL-ScottH	any other myths we can bust ? Todd had fun with that one.
	DELL-ToddM	Robby - What virtualization platform are you using? Vmware?
	DELL-ToddM	I was just going to ask how you are managing your Vms along side your Novell
	DELL-ScottH	damien, are you familiar with other systems management platforms ? Or new to the whole realm ?
	tagamet	Have you guys seen many problems updating Rac5 firmware from Ita using v5.40 bundle on Windows? I just pushed this bundle to approx 30 servers this Am, and 5% failed on Rac Fw update, exit code 1
	DELL-ScottH	Not sure, my gut feel without knowing more is a setting in the Drac, are they all enabled for virtual media ?
	tagamet	yes, they are all enabled for v-media
	DELL-ToddM	I found an entry on the dell support forums about the Power Supply Redundancy question with the 1850 here - http://www.dellcommunity.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=pc_openmanage&message.id=3658&query.id=93235#m3658
	DELL-ScottH	I haven't updated our Dracs in the lab yet, so maybe I'll run across issues ... if I do I will be sure to blog about it ... you'll probably need to open support issue on it
	DELL-ToddM	Net was to filter out the alerts in Ita for this event - as you have already
	tagamet	Tood, thank you for that link. Unfortunately, and funny... my userid on that forum is Greenhills. So that was my thread =)
	DELL-ScottH	haha I win $20
	tagamet	Haha
	DELL-ToddM	Ah ha - I have connected the two identies!
	tagamet	Ok, I've already opened a support case w/ Dell for the Rac Fw issue, just wanted to see if you pros had any further suggestions/info. Thanks anyway
	DELL-ScottH	it was the butler in the dining room with a pipe
	tagamet	<stewievoice> "blast! My cover is blown!"
	DELL-ScottH	well if you get a resolution, please post it on the Techcenter so we can all gain the knowledge ... it's about all of us helping each other
	tagamet	ok, definitely will do
	tagamet	Need to help a colleague with a issue. Brb
	DELL-ScottH	ok, well we are about at the end of the hour .. thanks again to everyone for joining, you can always view the transcript of this chat on the web so don't worry about writting down any Urls ....
	DELL-ScottH	Todd, what's up for next week ?
	DELL-ToddM	We are going to be discussing running enterprise apps on Vmware
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	DELL-ToddM	Things like Exchange, Sql Server, Oracle -- You know, Important stuff
	DELL-ToddM	I've started a home page for the chat that has some links to background reading - http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/04%2f15%2f2008+-+enterprise+apps+on+vmware+-+chat
	DELL-ScottH	alright, thanks again, we'll hang out a little longer for any lingering questions ... see you next week
	tagamet	Thanks guys. See you at the next chat session
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How to remove the red X - redundancy lost icon in ITA for Power

May 1 2008, 6:46 PM EDT by tagamet

Thread started: Apr 9 2008, 11:29 AM EDT Watch

Tagamet, we got an answer back from engineering. The system has to "think" that it only had one power supply to begin with. So are you ready for a little downtime ?

You'll have to completely remove power from the system and power it up with only a single power supply inserted. Then there is no redundancy to "lose". I just tested this on one of our 1850's in the lab. I had removed the 2nd supply, got the red-x and amber light on front of the server. I completely shut it down and removed the power cords, pulled out the 2nd power supply and turned it back on. Now it only has blue light and no errors.

If you re-insert the 2nd power supply (without power cord) - it will go into error state and you would have to repeat process all over to return to original state.

I think better solution is to do the Y-cables, now that you know it is not a doubling in power, only ~17%. Even though this won't protect you from a power leg failure, you can at least sustain a power supply failure. And you won't have to deal with this workaround, and you could perform the Y-cable upgrade without taking the machines down.

What's your userid on the wiki ? Couldn't find you, and this is the only logical place I could think to contact you.

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